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Aircraft black boxes must be discontinued

posted Thursday, 4 June 2009


It’s a huge tragedy, and my heart goes to the survivors of 228 passengers who left Rio, but never arrived to Paris.
The black boxes landed somewhere 3000 meters deep in the ocean and their batteries supporting emitting signals will die in 30 days.

The chances are very slim that the boxes from the crashed Air France plane will be found, and the world will never learn if this was a one time failure or some serious design issue of that particular aircraft model.

I wonder why air industry is still using such a bogus method as black boxes?

I would do it differently – in addition to recording in black boxes in planes, 100% of the pilots’ conversations should transmitted as an audio stream to a server located on the ground at the closest to the vehicle control center's. This way in case of the aircraft crash all the data about the accident would be available immediately. No need to spend millions trying to locate and get a hold of the black boxes. Huge cost savings...

 

Technically, implementing such a solution is not too difficult.  A number of the aircrafts (at least in the USA) already offer the internet connection on board even to the passengers. Identifying a closest to the vehicle server of a particular network is also a no brainer. Streaming audio is a trivial software task too.

I'm sure, some airline must be doing this already.

The most difficult part is to bring all the world carriers to the same table, agree on the infrastructure, and develop the software and the new “black boxes”. A simple commodity computer like a netbook placed in a sturdy case can perform the duties of such transmitter. A central server would automatically aggregate the fragments of the received audio and deliver the complete file to the authorities of the airline the plane belongs to.
Why the world doesn’t do it yet? It’s the 21st century. Talking about rich Internet applications and cloud computing…

I’d be happy to get involved in such a project myself.  Guys, let’s do it…Anyone?

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1. Adrian left...
Friday, 5 June 2009 3:08 am :: http://www.uiandtherest.com

You are right in concept. But the problem is that most Avionics are behind the times. You need to be able to develop a system that will not interfere with the operational systems. Your thoughts of tying things to ground control are slightly misguided (pardon the pun).

Yes, it could work, and it doesn't have to go through the carriers (if you make it cheap enough), but rather the FAA (in NA). However, the key would be the transmissions between the 7 miles or so for take off and landing. That is when most crashes occur , unless shot out of the air. The blackbox is tied to the avionics of the aircraft, and trust me the pilots are not going to give you any meaningful data when all hell breaks loose(based on personal experience crashing into the Atlantic outside of Marathon). The black box (which is actually orange) is tied to all the systems, which is more reliable than a human. We met at 360Flex Indy, and I have aviation experience... so I will take you up on the offer. Let's figure it out.. hope you are brushed up on ohms law, and lift.

BTW- big fan of your blog


2. Yakov Fain left...
Friday, 5 June 2009 7:23 am

Adrian,

1. Since using wireless Internet is allowed on planes (http://www.gogoinflight.com/), I assume that the problem of interference with the operational systems is solved. 2. The next step would be for someone to develop physical connector that would bring all required avionic signals into this new laptop/black box. 3. Take a look at www.speedtest.net. It's easy to figure out the location of the closest server to your computer on the ground. Something similar should be done based on the location of the plane in the air. 4. The rest is organizational. Writing programs for streaming audio is easy. 5. Thanks for the kind words about my blog


3. Andy left...
Friday, 5 June 2009 8:58 am

Perhaps the biggest problem you'd face isn't technical. Pilot unions are likely to vehemently oppose having all their cockpit conversations recorded. I doubt they'd trust assurances of encryption and retrieval only upon need.


4. Muthu left...
Friday, 5 June 2009 12:52 pm

Any is possible using computers. I too really interested in such project and to work with Yakov. However i am working in an IT Company and from India.


5. Alex B. left...
Friday, 5 June 2009 1:08 pm

source Wikipedia: "Approximately 80 percent of all aviation accidents occur shortly before, after, or during takeoff or landing, and are often described as resulting from 'human error'; mid-flight disasters are rare but not entirely unheard of."

Very, very few black boxes are not recovered, and they also record flight parameters not only voice, so there will be quite some data and it must be saved in very reliable fashion, double backups ... etc...


6. Yakov Fain left...
Friday, 5 June 2009 1:24 pm

Muthu,

Please make no mistakes, I'm not working on this project.


7. Yakov Fain left...
Friday, 5 June 2009 4:04 pm

@Alex B. Just one not recovered black box can cost thousands of lives in the future.


8. Murat left...
Monday, 8 June 2009 7:45 am

The thing is black box is most useful for situations where connection to airplane is lost, so pilots can not inform any where about what is going wrong and also black box records technical events even pilots are not aware of. So technicaly such a streaming would not add much to this situation because prorbably the connection would be lost before the incident occurs. However i still believe such an evolution will make things to be solved faster and easier. I would also do my best voluntarily to such project..